Guns N' Roses blogger arrested

A blogger, who is accused of being responsible for leaking Guns N' Roses long awaited new studio album, Chinese Democracy, on the internet, has been arrested.

27-year-old Kevin Cogill, a former employee of Guns N' Roses' record company, Universal Music Group, allegedly leaked the tracks from Chinese Democracy on his blog back in June of this year.

Within hours of the unreleased songs making their way onto the internet, Cogill received a call from Guns N' Roses' management.

"It was a really cool guy from the GN'R camp that was a middle man between someone who was very angry and me," Cogill told Rolling Stone magazine shortly after he posted the tracks. "He was trying to reach out and see if I'd go without a fight, which is more or less what I did."

"If legal proceedings come my way, I'll face them 100%," Cogill shrugged at the time. "I'm not afraid of that. I did what I did, and I'll face the music if I have to."

After a lengthy investigation, Cogill was arrested at his Los Angeles home yesterday (Wednesday, August 27) on suspicion of violating federal copyright laws. He is set to appear at Los Angeles' US District Court and faces up to three years in prison and fines of $250,000 (approximately £125,000) if convicted.

Question of the day: If you download or post music on peer to peer networks such as BitToprrent, has Cogill's arrest made you think twice about illegal downloading? Let us know below.


Posted by Dan at 12:36PM | August 28, 2008

I tend to download a few songs and if I like them I buy the album. It gives me a feel to the album.
Then again, I downloaded some of 30STM's tracks and thought the album was shit, so oh well.
Plus, how else am I supposed to get my obscure music that's not out in England?

Posted by Jezz | August 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Reply to this
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That's what I do to, but my friends don't see the sense in it!

Posted by Saint Jimmy | August 28, 2008 10:13 PM | Reply to this
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...you find a record store, or one online that gets imports from america or wherever, and ensures that artists and other people who have sweated to create the music get the right amount of money that they deserve.

Posted by louisaaa | August 31, 2008 4:10 PM | Reply to this
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All very well and good, but my favourite band disbanded about four years ago and record stores don't sell them.

Posted by Jezz | August 31, 2008 10:48 PM | Reply to this
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downloading

i always buy albums for bands that have a good reputation for good music, it makes me feel like im guarenteed quality music for whatever the price is. for new bands i like to download the album first and if i like it then i will buy it and this saves me money on some of the shit that comes out.

i also agree with jezz, a lot of music is soooo hard to find in the shops so the only other option is to download it

Posted by john | August 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Reply to this
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hmmm

Well a lot of downloads are shitty quality, I like having the album. I download when a band says they don't mind i.e Thursday.

Posted by jwalker1988 | August 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Reply to this
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Hmmmmm?

I downloaded both of 30 SECONDS TO MARS ' albums and then grew to love the music, I bought ' A Beautiful Lie ' twice and their 1st album once. it gives me peace of mind knowing i have contributed, being a fan and all i think that's what it's all about, loving the music and showing your suppoert by buying it.

Posted by LaurenC | August 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Reply to this
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meh

i spend a fortune buyin songs on itunes, nd decided 2 dwnload sum instead, but they wer all shity quality crap, so i went bac 2 buyin off itunes. at least if u pay, ya no its gud quality stuf, nd ur supporting bands, they put their heart nd soul in2 making albums 4 us, so it makes sense 2 support them by buyin dem! :)

Posted by aoife | August 28, 2008 4:47 PM | Reply to this
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downloads

Download is good, just make sure you support the bands when they tour

Posted by jim | August 28, 2008 8:10 PM | Reply to this
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mehh

is limewire illegal?
i get confused lmfao
xo

Posted by emm | August 28, 2008 8:11 PM | Reply to this
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Yes, it is.

Posted by Mia | August 28, 2008 8:31 PM | Reply to this
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Limewires the best for downloading music, i've been using it for years now.

I do buy albums but some are hard to find in shops, if you get what i mean lol

Posted by Haylie | August 28, 2008 9:17 PM | Reply to this
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Limewire is easy but NOT the best for downloading music or anything else for that matter.

There are far better options...


Posted by Patrick Bateman | August 28, 2008 9:48 PM | Reply to this
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and the better options are.......

Posted by Peter | August 28, 2008 9:55 PM | Reply to this
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Torrents, they tend to be higher quality and seem to be less likely to carry viruses.

I agree with some people on here, I used to download a song or two to get a feel for the music and then if I really liked it went out and bought the album. To be honest now I tend to just use youtube to see whether I like the music instead.

Posted by Viki | August 28, 2008 10:56 PM | Reply to this
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I download albums that aren't out in England, there's no where else to get them unles you pay some stupid amout for P&P.

I never bother buying singles, it's the record companies that get the money, not the bands/artists.

Posted by kay | August 28, 2008 9:27 PM | Reply to this
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LOL

First of all i think its a good thing that Kevin put the album on his blog good knows guns and rose fans have been waiting years for it come out only to be dissapointed.

Lets face it axle was never gona relseae the album its been something like over 11 years wait hasn;t it ??

second yes i do download however i also buy albums as well to balance it out. Bands tend to make more on merch and tours now these days anyways so i go to gigs as well.

Also many shops charge alot for albums HMV or example it can be £16 for an album sometimes which is a piss take i think. which is why if i can i like support independant record shops

like roadkill records in manchester

check it out if your there sometime its mint.

Posted by Mark Masscare | August 28, 2008 9:29 PM | Reply to this
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G 'N' R

thats a bad thing 2 do but
axl rose is up his own ass
and gone psyco
gnr will never be the same with out slash , duff, iizy etc ...

the "new" gnr shunt be called guns n roses they shud be called axl,axl,axl,look at me

Posted by tha nightmare | August 28, 2008 10:02 PM | Reply to this
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G 'N' R

i also think illigal downloading is wrong bands should get money for the music they work hard on, not it getting passed everywhere over the internet like its a peice of rubbish if u wanna dwnload sumthing go on legal websites or buy it from hmv or sumfin

Posted by tha nightmare | August 28, 2008 10:06 PM | Reply to this
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Downloading

To Be Honest ... How Am I Ment To Hear Stuff From Bands Like All Time Low, When Ther Albums Are Like No-Were In England, Downloading Them Then Makes Soooo Much More Sense.

Well Thats My Veiw Anyways

Rock On!

Posted by Fozzie | August 28, 2008 11:01 PM | Reply to this
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Limewire's shit for music, really bad quality. Use torrents and you get full high quality albums with artwork..

I download way too much, really wish I could buy physical albums though, I'm just broke..

I'll try and buy small bands EP's/abums cuz they need the money!

Also check out Proceed. www.myspace.com/proceed. Amazing stuff!

Posted by Ryan | August 29, 2008 9:14 AM | Reply to this
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Download

I think the music industry is reaping what they have sown and are now having a massive tantrum because they are no longer getting their own way. Everyone knows that a cd costs about £1 to produce, I can remember paying 16-17 quid for a cd when I had no other choice. Ok, so the cost has come down, but that is only in response to downloading, if they didnt have to reduce the cost they wouldnt have to.

Its not just the music industry either. If you have a monopoly on something and abuse it by making people pay over the odds, as soon as an alternative is available they will jump at the chance.

Dont rip people off and they wont rip you off.

Posted by Brad | August 29, 2008 9:35 AM | Reply to this
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What is ''BitToprrent'' anyway?

Posted by Gareth | August 29, 2008 12:28 PM | Reply to this
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Downloading music is definately better quality if from itunes compared to cd as music looses quality when tarnsfered "FACT"

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downloading music from itunes or a site like this means the music is goin to be the best quality as music on cds loose quality when transfered.

Posted by james | August 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply to this
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downloading music from itunes or a site like this means the music is goin to be the best quality as music on cds loose quality when transfered.

Posted by james | August 29, 2008 1:37 PM | Reply to this
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downloading music from itunes or a site like this means the music is goin to be the best quality as music on cds loose quality when transfered.

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downloading music from itunes or a site like this means the music is goin to be the best quality as music on cds loose quality when transfered.

Posted by james | August 29, 2008 1:38 PM | Reply to this
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A hard balance to strike.

Personally, I find I use torrents more these days than I used to, but that is because I'm now more into music, and have discovered there is far too many bands that sound great as 30 second sound bites on Itunes, but on a full length album sound like shite.

And to avoid getting cheated like this I use torrents, if I like what I hear, I go out and buy the album, if I don't, the record company hasn’t cheated me out of my money.

Also, with bands such as Sigur-ros, with almost every song at 5 minuets plus, isn't a 30 second sound bite not really enough for a potential customer to decide if they like the music or not?


I think record companies need to change, adopt more of a Nine Inch Nails approach to the price of music, offer us more choices, like Trent Reznor did for Ghosts I-IV, a 5 dollar (2 pound 50 I think) download, a cheaper than normal physical relase (find me another major band offering a 4 CD album for 10 quid) a download and physical bundle, ect...


As a consumer I demand more choice and less of being cheated by the over-glammed, super-polished sound bites. Because I am frankly fed up of shitty fed up of MTV playing one hit wonder singles form shit! at the disko brain-washing everyone into believing this will make an entire album great.


And do you honestly think Axl really put sweat blood ect... into that album?

No, me neither given the shite that comes out his mouth and the 11 year wait.

Posted by Stephen | August 29, 2008 5:36 PM | Reply to this
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i downlad music, and then after a few listens i either buy the album or delete it, depending on whether it's any good. im not prepared to buy an album without hearing at least 3 decent tracks on it beforehand coz there are so many shitty bands out there who have one good single and then a heap of crap they refer to as an album stuck on thye same cd. and given current cd prices i refuse to take that risk and waste my money

Posted by amy | August 29, 2008 8:56 PM | Reply to this
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£££

With album's at over £15 in some stores, most us peasants can't afford that when we've only ever heard the one song that's been shown on Kerrang! TV.
I've downloaded all my life - if artist truly care about the music, they wouldn't give a shit.
But there is no way you can get me to buy an album for myself unless I trust the band to just be awesome or if I love more than half the tracks - I've got better things to spend my money on!

Posted by Crystal | August 29, 2008 11:00 PM | Reply to this
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£££

"if artist truly care about the music, they wouldn't give a shit."

Well, they do care and they do give a shit; why do you guys think you should get music for free? Would you do your jobs and not get paid? 'Course not.

The music is these guys' bread and butter; it's what pays their bills, supports their families, pays for more equipment/better studio and recording facilities. It's what partly pays for their tours, with all the publicity/staff requirements and transportation costs it entails.

You want your favourite bands to make another album and to see them live? Give them their due and pay for their music!

Posted by Headless Horseman | September 3, 2008 12:47 PM | Reply to this
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Downloadinnnng.

You're hardly gonna go buy an album when they're so overpriced at a band you only like a bit. If you love the band, THEN you buy it. ahh :)

Posted by nicole | August 29, 2008 11:34 PM | Reply to this
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down-of-the-loading

there's a massive difference between downloading a few shady tracks on your own at home, and stealing / ripping / distributing someone else's music..

i'm not saying that either is right, i'm merely outlining that what Kevin Cogill did carries much more weight than downloading a few tracks..

Posted by vickSTAR® | August 30, 2008 12:18 PM | Reply to this
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Downloading

I always look forward to getting the actual physical copy of the cd. If you download cd's from the net, you could risk downloading a shitload of viruses. Which is why I always avoid the temptation.

Posted by Wheelz | August 30, 2008 5:42 PM | Reply to this
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Music

I download music. If I really like the band I'll buy the album, if I only like one song then I'm not going to waste the money buying the whole album.

Posted by Jess | August 30, 2008 8:04 PM | Reply to this
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AT THE END OF THE DAY

Guns n roses are a bunch of dicks anyway, i mean when they played reading/leeds they fuckd about for ages and walked off stage and threw their rattles out the pram.

Their pissed off cos this guy leaked the album and they intend on charging about £20 for it.

If that guy gets convicted, their will literally be uproar and carnage, people will go crazy and big protests will end up happening....

you shouldn download music though, buy it!

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AT THE END OF THE DAY

Guns n roses are a bunch of dicks anyway, i mean when they played reading/leeds they fuckd about for ages and walked off stage and threw their rattles out the pram.

Their pissed off cos this guy leaked the album and they intend on charging about £20 for it.

If that guy gets convicted, their will literally be uproar and carnage, people will go crazy and big protests will end up happening....

you shouldn download music though, buy it!

Posted by CARL | August 31, 2008 7:48 AM | Reply to this
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With the current state of the record industry, I would wholeheartedly support downloading albums: you aren't supporting the artist, but it's exactly the same if you're buying records. Buying records is supporting the record label and record store, not the actual artist. It's the same with tours as well, unfortunately, it all goes to the promoter. It's very hard to give money to bands you like, unless they're on an ethical indie label, like Dischord Records.
All of this being said, I do see bands live, and I do buy records. I always feel guilty, though, about buying records put out on a major label, or buying from HMV. However, I do download albums as well, especially of bands to whom I've already attempted to give the worth of their discography, by buying a record, or bands who are so rich they don't need my money, or who are against the buying of records. I support Billy Bragg's system, with an annual levy to download music, which goes direct to artists. But I still like records. Personally, as a more prolific downloader than most of my friends, I find that I buy FAR more CDs and 7-inches and LPs, so downloaders evidently aren't killing the industry.

However, all of this being said, I am aganst Mr. Cohill's actions: the songs were not released yet, suggesting that Axl Rose was not yet happy with their quality. Therefore, this leak is offering fans a substandard version of what Axl Rose wishes to create, devaluing his reputation (if that's possible any more) with poor music. So people should wait: the record company are saying that they havea final copy ready to put out.

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not realli no >.<

Posted by ScaraJane101 | August 31, 2008 11:02 PM | Reply to this
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NO WAY!

No way

he was a previous employee tho, an easy catch for the police.
if he put it on rapidshare and sent the link to a load of people to put it on a torrent it would be much harder to find;
not impossible tho.

If you want complete anonymity use an internet cafe!

Posted by felix | September 1, 2008 3:38 PM | Reply to this
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NEVER

i have never downloaded music off the internet because its bad for the bands who make the music if they all legal downloaded and didnt "steal" bands like cky and fair to midland can afford to do more tours ect like i said never do it never will i buy cds actually i dont buy downloads!

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jhdshdfgh

guns & roses suck

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jhdshdfgh

guns & roses suck

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jhdshdfgh

guns & roses suck

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jhdshdfgh

guns & roses suck

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Go On

Im a huge supporter of file sharing but the music industry has to manage it instead of prosecuting it, and i think artists should do it if they want to, UP P2P

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abuse 2 MCR!!!!

i am sick of MCR getting blamed for the suicides nd then the chav music bring out a new album called hardcore till i die so what r they going to do about that they should apologise to MCR and do what they did to MCR to them its not fair blaming 1 ACE band for suicides and not another! ITS NOT FAIR!!!!! i will support MCR all the way and i will do all i can to get them blamed for the suicides they could have had a completely different reason 4 killing themselves! MCR R ACE!!!!!!!! and the daily mail should apologise to them for all the trouble they caused for them go away and let them have a break!!! they have different reasons for killing themselves so leave MCR alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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abuse 2 MCR!!!!

Wait.
What?

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